[trungduong] Go Vote!

[Victor Thang Do]

>Reagan and Bush were Presidents during Soviet occupation in1980s through
>1991.
_ So they did the right thing: helping Mujahideen people to kick the Soviet 
out of their country.

>Doesn't that mean Bush Senior abandoned Afghans already after Soviet out in
>1988?
_ Not yet. In 1992 they started an interim gov overthere. The Senior Bush 
administration had an unfinished business interupted by Clinton.

>Yes, Clinton did try to get Bin Laden through CIA, of course, not war, and
>he failed.
_ As I said before: couples of Tomahawks was a joke to B. Laden

>W Bush actually had more opportunity to do so through war with the Taliban,
>but he also failed because he turned to Iraq.
_ I don't know why you see B. Laden not captured or killed is failure of the 
war in Apghanistan. The US wiped out Taliban, a savage government used the 
canon to shoot a big statue of Budha. Now the election is completed 
successfully. Moreover, US now is just one of the countries and UN to 
rebuild the Apghanistan. Bin Laden and his leutenants are running or 
captured or killed. His camps no longer exists. Now Iraq is closed to 
self-governing. The business is almost finished but not yet.

Thought to remind the Berlin Wall were torn down while Ronald Reagan was in 
the office.



>From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
>To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
>Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:46:13 -0400
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
>To: <All at trungduong.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > "Then U.S abandoned Afghanistan, let Taliban come in power and,
> > of course, support Bin Laden and his followers. Look at who were U.S
> > presidents then?  Ronald Reagan 2 terms, then George Bush Senior."
> > _ The time frame is incorrect and look who was the US president at that
> > time.
>
>Reagan and Bush were Presidents during Soviet occupation in1980s through
>1991.
>
> > * In late 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up 
>a
> > new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. Who was 
>the
> > president of the US at that time? Bush senior lost the election to the
> > Clinton.
>
>Doesn't that mean Bush Senior abandoned Afghans already after Soviet out in
>1988?
>The country was not stable at all then.
>
> > * Civil wars between war lords tore down the country of Apghanistan. Who
>was
> > the president of the US at that time? Clinton.
> > * In the late 1996 the Taliban movement rose up in Kandahar at took the
> > Kabul in 1998. Who was the president of the US at that time? Clinton.
> > * The Taliban harbored the Al qaeda and let them build terrorist camps
>with
> > training facilities, airports, money collections from 1996 to 2001. Who
>was
> > the president of the US at that time? Clinton.
>
>Yes, Clinton did try to get Bin Laden through CIA, of course, not war, and
>he failed.
>W Bush actually had more opportunity to do so through war with the Taliban,
>but he also failed because he turned to Iraq.
>
> > Clinton had 2 terms to solve the terrorism issue, but he didn't. 
>Instead,
>he
> > let them grown. Now he backed flip-flop Kerry to follow his trail to go
>back
> > to pre-9/11 times.
> >
>
>---pa
>
> > Thang
> >
> >
> > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:11:50 -0400
> > >
> > >Hello, I'm back!
> > >I thought we either stopped or moved to TrungDuong Forum?
> > >Admit it ! We're glued to this now ;-)
> > >Well, I will copy this thread to the Forum some time. Good information 
>to
> > >keep, don't you think?
> > >
> > >Yesterday, I had to leave work early to rush Jamie to Pediatrician
>because
> > >he was misserable with his second teething. Upper teeth are coming up.
>Then
> > >we watched RedSox game and eclipse at night. And we were overjoyed with
>the
> > >Boston team's victory.
> > >
> > >"He / Demo left a big mess in security for Bush administration. 9/11 
>was
> > >the
> > >effect of the cause from him not from Bush."
> > >
> > >Because Bin Laden and Afghanistan were mentioned previously, I thought 
>a
> > >bit
> > >of background should be pointed out. Through the 1980s, Afghanistan was
> > >invaded and occupied by Soviet Union. U.S policy was that "NO" to 
>Soviet
> > >control of Mid-East. So they funded the Afghan- then called "Freedom
> > >Fighters" - now called "terrorists". During that situation, Bin Laden
> > >joined
> > >those fighters and became their leader. Why fund them? to kick out 
>Soviet
> > >troops. The same way with Chinese supporting North Vietnam communists 
>to
> > >kick out Americans in the South. Then Soviet was really kicked out from
> > >Afgahnistan. Then U.S abandoned Afghanistan, let Taliban come in power
>and,
> > >of course, support Bin Laden and his followers. Look at who were U.S
> > >presidents then?  Ronald Reagan 2 terms, then George Bush Senior. Then
> > >Clinton came. He tried to get Bin Laden but he failed. So did W.Bush in
> > >this
> > >term.
> > >Both parties have contributed good presidents and "less than good" 
>ones.
> > >That's why I registered as "Independent" and will stay that way. Just 
>to
> > >have as much objective look at the candidates as possible. For 
>Democracy,
> > >it's required to have more than one party in power.
> > >
> > >Anyway, enjoy your freedom to vote.
> > >Gooday,
> > >--pa
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Nam Nguyen" <nam_nguyen67 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:02 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Thang,
> > > >
> > > > " The policy and strategy of an administration is more important, 
>not
>a
> > > > person."
> > > >
> > > > Then, why people made a big fuss over Clinton and his personal life?
> > >Why
> > > > wasted tons of tax-payers' money trying to impeach him?  They said 
>it
> > >was
> > > > perjury, but why did they put him under oath about his personal life
>in
> > >the
> > > > first place?  It sure looked like a setup to me.
> > > >
> > > > You mentioned Clinton is a state-of-the-art liar.  I do not recall 
>he
> > >lied
> > > > about national security matters.  Do you?  He did not exaggerate
>reasons
> > >to
> > > > go to war in Bosnia.  No CIA covert agent's name was leaked under 
>his
> > >watch.
> > > >
> > > > I think personal character also plays a very important factor.  
>People
> > >can
> > > > fake their character, but not under fire or extreme condition.  What
>did
> > > > Bush do on the day this nation was attacked, besides reading "My Pet
> > >Goat"?
> > > > Cheney had to give an order to shoot down an airplane.  Did anyone
> > >explain
> > > > why Bush flew around like a duck to Louisiana and then Omaha?  I
> > >understand
> > > > why the commander-in-chief has to be protected but why didn't he 
>just
>go
> > >to
> > > > an undisclosed location and direct the nation from there.  I just
>cannot
> > > > imagine how he can handle a more urgent event.  If you forget his 
>face
> > >at
> > > > that time, try Farenheit 9/11.  I was really scared watching our war
> > > > president.
> > > >
> > > > Nam
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: All-bounces at trungduong.org 
>[mailto:All-bounces at trungduong.org]
>On
> > > > >Behalf Of Victor Thang Do
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:00 PM
> > > > >To: All at trungduong.org
> > > > >Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > >Vu, the script is very interesting. That's why I said the look of
> > > > >American
> > > > >history about VN war sometimes dead wrong. Even Bush also has a 
>wrong
> > > > >view.
> > > > >Or may be he did not tell the truth about American friends dumped
>their
> > > > >allies / South Vietnam (what a shame!). Somehow he got a supporting
> > > > >voice
> > > > >for VN-American, better than killing the hope as Kerry. The policy
>and
> > > > >strategy of an administration is more important, not a person.
> > > > >Internet Cafe? Interesting idea, Vu. It's not going to work for me
> > >since
> > > > >it
> > > > >looks like you travel by watching the video or dvd. I can wait
>another
> > > > >10
> > > > >yrs to get you a real cup of coffee, Vu. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Ngo, Vu (NIH/NCI)" <ngovu at mail.nih.gov>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > >To: 'Just chat' <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:13:58 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Binh,
> > > > > >The information wasn't intended for changing anyone's decision.  
>It
> > > > >only
> > > > > >shows one can always find something bad about both candidates but
>the
> > > > >big
> > > > > >picture will not change.  If they are both bad, I don't want to
> > >choose
> > > > >the
> > > > > >worse.
> > > > > >Thang,
> > > > > >Let me know when your favorite cafe goes online, then we can 
>enjoy
> > >some
> > > > > >virtual caffeine without having to wait another 10 years.  What
> > >happens
> > > > >to
> > > > > >the internet smell invention that you can actually smell your
> > >favorite
> > > > > >flavor on your screen.  IPO did not take off? Those internet 
>cafes
> > >can
> > > > >take
> > > > > >advantage of this invention.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > From: Binh Truong
> > > > > > > Reply To: Just chat
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > To: Just chat
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <<File: ATT1098600.txt>>
> > > > > > > Thanks, Vu for that information, though it didn't make much
> > > > >difference
> > > > > >for
> > > > > > > my decision.  Chances are Bush probably can't even find 
>Vietnam
>on
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > map, much less understand the complexity of that conflict.  
>But
> > > > >don't
> > > > > > > blame him for not knowing: he was grounded from flying in N'l
>Air
> > > > >Guard.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Binh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Ngo, Vu (NIH/NCI)
> > > > > > > To: 'Just chat'
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:19 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > Before you all leave the topic and head to the poll, there is 
>a
> > > > > > > message that
> > > > > > > I got from a friend intended for those who are pro-Bush.  I 
>have
> > > > > > > said that
> > > > > > > Fox news is the well known biased media toward conservative
> > > > > > > pro-republican
> > > > > > > idealism so I take to the face value that it never intends to
> > > > >work
> > > > > > > against
> > > > > > > Bush in the following interview:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [B] What Pres. Bush Thinks of Vietnamese.  What An INSULT!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >        On the Sept. 27 edition of the O'Reilly Factor, a Fox
> > > > >News
> > > > > > > Channel show, the following conversation between Pres. Bush
> > > > > > > and O'Reilly occurred:
> > > > > > >     O'REILLY:  The South Vietnamese didn't fight for their
> > > > >freedom,
> > > > > > >                which is why they don't have it today.
> > > > > > >     BUSH:  Yes.
> > > > > > >     O'REILLY:  Do you think the Iraqis are going to fight for
> > > > >their
> > > > > > >                freedom?
> > > > > > >     BUSH:  Absolutely.                  Read the transcript:
> > > > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133712,00.html .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >         The Vietnamese American is the only AsAm group that
> > > > > > > still favors Pres. Bush to Kerry.  Look, however, what Bush
> > > > >thinks
> > > > > > > of Vietnamese.  Politicians often ABUSE their MOST LOYAL
> > > > >supporters
> > > > > > > who are POLITICALLY NAIVE.  Here is one example of this kind 
>of
> > > > > > > abuse!  What an INSULT!   Pass this email to your Vietnamese
> > > > > > > friends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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