[trungduong] Go Vote!

Anh Le Arsenault anhple at earthlink.net
Thu Oct 28 13:46:13 CDT 2004 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
To: <All at trungduong.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!


> Hello,
>
> "Then U.S abandoned Afghanistan, let Taliban come in power and,
> of course, support Bin Laden and his followers. Look at who were U.S
> presidents then?  Ronald Reagan 2 terms, then George Bush Senior."
> _ The time frame is incorrect and look who was the US president at that
> time.

Reagan and Bush were Presidents during Soviet occupation in1980s through
1991.

> * In late 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a
> new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. Who was the
> president of the US at that time? Bush senior lost the election to the
> Clinton.

Doesn't that mean Bush Senior abandoned Afghans already after Soviet out in
1988?
The country was not stable at all then.

> * Civil wars between war lords tore down the country of Apghanistan. Who
was
> the president of the US at that time? Clinton.
> * In the late 1996 the Taliban movement rose up in Kandahar at took the
> Kabul in 1998. Who was the president of the US at that time? Clinton.
> * The Taliban harbored the Al qaeda and let them build terrorist camps
with
> training facilities, airports, money collections from 1996 to 2001. Who
was
> the president of the US at that time? Clinton.

Yes, Clinton did try to get Bin Laden through CIA, of course, not war, and
he failed.
W Bush actually had more opportunity to do so through war with the Taliban,
but he also failed because he turned to Iraq.

> Clinton had 2 terms to solve the terrorism issue, but he didn't. Instead,
he
> let them grown. Now he backed flip-flop Kerry to follow his trail to go
back
> to pre-9/11 times.
>

---pa

> Thang
>
>
> >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:11:50 -0400
> >
> >Hello, I'm back!
> >I thought we either stopped or moved to TrungDuong Forum?
> >Admit it ! We're glued to this now ;-)
> >Well, I will copy this thread to the Forum some time. Good information to
> >keep, don't you think?
> >
> >Yesterday, I had to leave work early to rush Jamie to Pediatrician
because
> >he was misserable with his second teething. Upper teeth are coming up.
Then
> >we watched RedSox game and eclipse at night. And we were overjoyed with
the
> >Boston team's victory.
> >
> >"He / Demo left a big mess in security for Bush administration. 9/11 was
> >the
> >effect of the cause from him not from Bush."
> >
> >Because Bin Laden and Afghanistan were mentioned previously, I thought a
> >bit
> >of background should be pointed out. Through the 1980s, Afghanistan was
> >invaded and occupied by Soviet Union. U.S policy was that "NO" to Soviet
> >control of Mid-East. So they funded the Afghan- then called "Freedom
> >Fighters" - now called "terrorists". During that situation, Bin Laden
> >joined
> >those fighters and became their leader. Why fund them? to kick out Soviet
> >troops. The same way with Chinese supporting North Vietnam communists to
> >kick out Americans in the South. Then Soviet was really kicked out from
> >Afgahnistan. Then U.S abandoned Afghanistan, let Taliban come in power
and,
> >of course, support Bin Laden and his followers. Look at who were U.S
> >presidents then?  Ronald Reagan 2 terms, then George Bush Senior. Then
> >Clinton came. He tried to get Bin Laden but he failed. So did W.Bush in
> >this
> >term.
> >Both parties have contributed good presidents and "less than good" ones.
> >That's why I registered as "Independent" and will stay that way. Just to
> >have as much objective look at the candidates as possible. For Democracy,
> >it's required to have more than one party in power.
> >
> >Anyway, enjoy your freedom to vote.
> >Gooday,
> >--pa
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nam Nguyen" <nam_nguyen67 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:02 PM
> >Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >
> >
> > > Hi Thang,
> > >
> > > " The policy and strategy of an administration is more important, not
a
> > > person."
> > >
> > > Then, why people made a big fuss over Clinton and his personal life?
> >Why
> > > wasted tons of tax-payers' money trying to impeach him?  They said it
> >was
> > > perjury, but why did they put him under oath about his personal life
in
> >the
> > > first place?  It sure looked like a setup to me.
> > >
> > > You mentioned Clinton is a state-of-the-art liar.  I do not recall he
> >lied
> > > about national security matters.  Do you?  He did not exaggerate
reasons
> >to
> > > go to war in Bosnia.  No CIA covert agent's name was leaked under his
> >watch.
> > >
> > > I think personal character also plays a very important factor.  People
> >can
> > > fake their character, but not under fire or extreme condition.  What
did
> > > Bush do on the day this nation was attacked, besides reading "My Pet
> >Goat"?
> > > Cheney had to give an order to shoot down an airplane.  Did anyone
> >explain
> > > why Bush flew around like a duck to Louisiana and then Omaha?  I
> >understand
> > > why the commander-in-chief has to be protected but why didn't he just
go
> >to
> > > an undisclosed location and direct the nation from there.  I just
cannot
> > > imagine how he can handle a more urgent event.  If you forget his face
> >at
> > > that time, try Farenheit 9/11.  I was really scared watching our war
> > > president.
> > >
> > > Nam
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: All-bounces at trungduong.org [mailto:All-bounces at trungduong.org]
On
> > > >Behalf Of Victor Thang Do
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:00 PM
> > > >To: All at trungduong.org
> > > >Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >Vu, the script is very interesting. That's why I said the look of
> > > >American
> > > >history about VN war sometimes dead wrong. Even Bush also has a wrong
> > > >view.
> > > >Or may be he did not tell the truth about American friends dumped
their
> > > >allies / South Vietnam (what a shame!). Somehow he got a supporting
> > > >voice
> > > >for VN-American, better than killing the hope as Kerry. The policy
and
> > > >strategy of an administration is more important, not a person.
> > > >Internet Cafe? Interesting idea, Vu. It's not going to work for me
> >since
> > > >it
> > > >looks like you travel by watching the video or dvd. I can wait
another
> > > >10
> > > >yrs to get you a real cup of coffee, Vu. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Ngo, Vu (NIH/NCI)" <ngovu at mail.nih.gov>
> > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >To: 'Just chat' <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:13:58 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Binh,
> > > > >The information wasn't intended for changing anyone's decision.  It
> > > >only
> > > > >shows one can always find something bad about both candidates but
the
> > > >big
> > > > >picture will not change.  If they are both bad, I don't want to
> >choose
> > > >the
> > > > >worse.
> > > > >Thang,
> > > > >Let me know when your favorite cafe goes online, then we can enjoy
> >some
> > > > >virtual caffeine without having to wait another 10 years.  What
> >happens
> > > >to
> > > > >the internet smell invention that you can actually smell your
> >favorite
> > > > >flavor on your screen.  IPO did not take off? Those internet cafes
> >can
> > > >take
> > > > >advantage of this invention.
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > From: Binh Truong
> > > > > > Reply To: Just chat
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:54 PM
> > > > > > To: Just chat
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<File: ATT1098600.txt>>
> > > > > > Thanks, Vu for that information, though it didn't make much
> > > >difference
> > > > >for
> > > > > > my decision.  Chances are Bush probably can't even find Vietnam
on
> > > >the
> > > > > > map, much less understand the complexity of that conflict.  But
> > > >don't
> > > > > > blame him for not knowing: he was grounded from flying in N'l
Air
> > > >Guard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Binh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Ngo, Vu (NIH/NCI)
> > > > > > To: 'Just chat'
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:19 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > Before you all leave the topic and head to the poll, there is a
> > > > > > message that
> > > > > > I got from a friend intended for those who are pro-Bush.  I have
> > > > > > said that
> > > > > > Fox news is the well known biased media toward conservative
> > > > > > pro-republican
> > > > > > idealism so I take to the face value that it never intends to
> > > >work
> > > > > > against
> > > > > > Bush in the following interview:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [B] What Pres. Bush Thinks of Vietnamese.  What An INSULT!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >        On the Sept. 27 edition of the O'Reilly Factor, a Fox
> > > >News
> > > > > > Channel show, the following conversation between Pres. Bush
> > > > > > and O'Reilly occurred:
> > > > > >     O'REILLY:  The South Vietnamese didn't fight for their
> > > >freedom,
> > > > > >                which is why they don't have it today.
> > > > > >     BUSH:  Yes.
> > > > > >     O'REILLY:  Do you think the Iraqis are going to fight for
> > > >their
> > > > > >                freedom?
> > > > > >     BUSH:  Absolutely.                  Read the transcript:
> > > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133712,00.html .
> > > > > >
> > > > > >         The Vietnamese American is the only AsAm group that
> > > > > > still favors Pres. Bush to Kerry.  Look, however, what Bush
> > > >thinks
> > > > > > of Vietnamese.  Politicians often ABUSE their MOST LOYAL
> > > >supporters
> > > > > > who are POLITICALLY NAIVE.  Here is one example of this kind of
> > > > > > abuse!  What an INSULT!   Pass this email to your Vietnamese
> > > > > > friends.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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