[trungduong] Go Vote!

[Victor Thang Do]

Hello Vu,

Long time not hear from you. How are you? Sometimes back to LA give me a 
call. I remember I had a cup of coffee with you about 10 years ago. Let's go 
vote and enjoy the democracy and freedom as well. :-)

Thang

>From: "Ngo, Vu (NIH/NCI)" <ngovu at mail.nih.gov>
>Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
>To: 'Just chat' <All at trungduong.org>
>Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:59:52 -0400
>
>Wow! It is hot the last couple days in here.
>
>Not only did I learn some history, I also learn how politically savvy my
>dear classmates have been.
>
>Thanks for calling people out to vote, PA.  I never think there is any
>democratic issue more important than going out there to vote for what you
>believe in.
>
>Thanks, Thang for voicing your deep belief.
>
>But is it appropriate to impose your opinion/belief on others with the hope
>that you would influence them with your own political/religious preference?
>
>Less informed people tend to be fooled by the biased press, and yes, they
>are CNN, Fox, ABC or whatever in the most democratic country on Earth.  
>Your
>outspoken voice on those issues are well taken but I'm in doubt of their
>effectiveness.
>
>With these, I wish you all the best with your celebratory election outcome
>or speedy recovery from you post-election blue next week.
>
>Get out and vote!
>
>Best,
>
>Vu
>
>
>
> > ----------
> > From: 	Anh Le Arsenault
> > Reply To: 	Just chat
> > Sent: 	Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:35 PM
> > To: 	Just chat
> > Subject: 	Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >
> > Thanks, Nam. But, why?
> > --pa
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Nam_Nguyen at Dell.com>
> > To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >
> >
> > Phuong Anh/Thang,
> >
> > I just opened a new topic 2004 US Election in TrungDuong forum.  What do
> > you think about posting your messages there instead?
> >
> > Nam
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: All-bounces at trungduong.org [mailto:All-bounces at trungduong.org] On
> > Behalf Of Victor Thang Do
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:47 AM
> > To: All at trungduong.org
> > Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >
> > "Communists in Korea and Germany accepted the division of the country.
> > VN-communists didn't. They vowed they never will."
> > _ How do you know? Or just because of stupid anti-war activists like
> > Kerry,
> > Fonda (later on sorry for here acts) prevent the freedom of South Viet
> > Nam.
> >
> > "If I could make an assumption, we might end up living
> > in a place like Palestine/Israel with daily violence. 3 generations of
> > Palestinians have been stuck in Palestine refugee camps since 1948 by
> > Israeli. They have been fighting since then and nowhere near the end."
> > _ You can't compare orange with apple. Palestine and Israel are
> > different
> > countries. They fought each other for different purposes. Just compare
> > VN
> > with Korea, or a little close to East & West Germany.
> > I want Bush to win the election at this time since I want to see how he
> > handles and finishes the job in Irag in his next term. Just give him a
> > chance. If he could not get it done then you can blame him. I believe he
> > can
> > do it at least for American safety. I hate the word that could happen
> > for
> > Iraqui people "Dem con bo? cho'." that was a mistake of US gov for VN.
> > Talking about Clinton, he's a state-of-the-art liar. Even a woman like
> > his
> > wife also get fooled. Some people even Vietnamese American got fooled by
> >
> > him. Not now!! They see how lies he is. They see how luck he got when
> > cycle
> > of economy going up in his term and start going down at the end of his
> > term
> > (2000). Not from his good leadership. He let Bin Laden built his empire
> > in
> > Apghanistan to train thousands of terrorist. What Clinton did was to
> > shoot
> > some tomahawks into the camps to let people knowing that he fought
> > terrorists. He cut off budgets for intel and other security forces. He /
> >
> > Demo left a big mess in security for Bush administration. 9/11 was the
> > effect of the cause from him not from Bush. His follower Kerry is not
> > different from him. He see terrorism not a threat, just as a nuissance.
> > Can you do your bussiness with sometimes we have an explosion somewhere
> > in
> > the US caused by terrorists?
> >
> > Thang
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:13:58 -0400
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The American history has different views about our true history.
> > >Sometimes
> > > > it's wrong.
> > >
> > >That's the point. There are several different views about history, war,
> > >policies, etc. Keep digging the past to try to make assumptions about
> > how
> > >things would end up if things went this way, or that way is like going
> > >around a circle.
> > >
> > >Compare Korea and Vietnam? What about Germany before the end of Berlin
> > >Wall?
> > >Different countries, different peoples, different fates. Communists in
> > >Korea
> > >and Germany accepted the division of the country. VN-communists didn't.
> >
> > >They
> > >vowed they never will. If I could make an assumption, we might end up
> > >living
> > >in a place like Palestine/Israel with daily violence. 3 generations of
> > >Palestinians have been stuck in Palestine refugee camps since 1948 by
> > >Israeli. They have been fighting since then and nowhere near the end.
> > >
> > >---pa
> > >
> > >
> > > >For instant, when I took a history class in college, I strongly
> > > > disagreed with the instructor who viewed president Ngo Dinh Diem as
> > an
> > > > dictator and corrupted that's why they carried the coup to kill him
> > and
> > >his
> > > > family.
> > > > I don't know where you get those docs, but I know at that time HCM
> > > > is not a big guy to let some people like Roos and Truman to talk to
> > at
> > >that
> > > > time. Beside that he's a liar and a dictator. He just wanted to keep
> > his
> > > > pos. He's affected by Chinese communists. His henchmen assasinated
> > all
> > >the
> > > > patriots at that time, e.g. Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang. (I have proof
> > not
> > >docs)
> > > > About Korea, I mean if our country is still divided as North & South
> >
> > >Korea
> > > > right now then it's gonna be ways better than right now. There'll be
> > no
> > > > innocent people died in the sea, sold their labors with the cheapest
> > >price,
> > > > no innocent girls to get sold to the foreigners as a slave, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:05:26 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >The war I meant is the current Iraq war, of course, no real cause.
> > And
> > >not
> > > > >only warriors go there.
> > > > >About the Vietnam war, there are endless facts and factors that
> > history
> > > > >continues to work on.
> > > > >Had President Harry Truman not lent a hand to French after World
> > War 2
> > > > >ended
> > > > >to suppress Vietnamese as French colony, would Vietnam not have
> > >followed
> > > > >Lenin and Communist Party. Some Americans still view this as a
> > >presidential
> > > > >mistake then. Documentary says that Ho Chi Minh actually met with
> > >Franklin
> > > > >Roosevelt to ask for help to get independence from the French way
> > >before
> > >he
> > > > >launched the VietMinh. Roosevelt agreed to help but he died soon
> > later.
> > > > >Truman came in to break the promise. And the long unfortunate
> > struggle
> > > > >began. Communist commited crimes in Vietnam to there own people.
> > That's
> > >for
> > > > >sure. But going back to history, all this unfortunate might have
> > been
> > > > >prevented in the first place if a powerful president had not made a
> >
> > >wrong
> > > > >choice.
> > > > >Korean war? I remember it ended with talks between 2 sides, which
> > may
> > >or
> > > > >may
> > > > >not hold true for countries like Vietnam whose people is famous for
> >
> > >long,
> > > > >hard struggle.
> > > > >---pa
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >Cc: <TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>;
> > <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:15 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Claiming to protect every life while sending people to war for
> > no
> > >real
> > > > > > cause?"
> > > > > > Are those people not adults? Those are warriors. Are they forced
> > to
> > >be
> > > > > > enlisted like in VN? No. They opted for that job. They're
> > helping
> > > > >suppressed
> > > > > > people there. When the US sent soldiers to help South VN to
> > fight
> > >the
> > > > > > communism. Is that no real cause? If not, why are we ended up
> > here?
> > > > >We're
> > > > > > suppressed, no rights, no future. If you not agree then you live
> > in
> > >a
> > > > >wrong
> > > > > > place. More than 50,000 US soldiers and hundred thousands of
> > VNese
> > >died
> > > > >in
> > > > > > VN for no real cause? Dictatorship presents in different images.
> > >Instead
> > > > >of
> > > > > > honoring those who fought for freedom guys like Kerry and Jane
> > Fonda
> > > > > > opposing it. That's why we lost our country. Our father,
> > relatives
> > >went
> > > > >to
> > > > > > the concentrate camps. I was wondering if our country is like
> > South
> > > > >Korea
> > > > > > today. :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "There were a lot of abortions there, too, by the way"
> > > > > > I agree, but the government overthere explicitely supports
> > abortion?
> > >At
> > > > > > least, no.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > > > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:19:59 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hmmm. Back to those days in VN, families that didn't have any
> > >financial
> > > > > > >support from relatives in external countries, like mine, did
> > worry
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >welfare, things like: how to put meal on the table tomorrow,
> > how to
> > > > >survive
> > > > > > >when get sick, etc. There were a lot of abortions there, too,
> > by
> > >the
> > > > >way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ethical matter?
> > > > > > >Claiming to protect every life while sending people to war for
> > no
> > >real
> > > > > > >cause?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >---pa
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > >Cc: <TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>;
> > ><hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > > > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:34 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Is this issue more important than welfare, social security
> > for
> > >your
> > > > > > >parents
> > > > > > > > and yourselves ? "
> > > > > > > > Yes, It sure is, PA. By the days we lived in VN, did we care
> >
> > >about
> > >
> > > > > > >welfare,
> > > > > > > > social security? Hell, no!! We don't know how to live
> > tomorrow,
> > >but
> > > > >life
> > > > > > > > stills goes on. Babies and lives still survived in that
> > >environment.
> > > > >And
> > > > > > >we
> > > > > > > > still survived until the day we got here, right? If you
> > don't
> > >see
> > > > >it's
> > > > >a
> > > > > > > > serious ethical matter then I don't have anything to say.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thang
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > > > > > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:19:45 -0400
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The Abortion will continue to be an issue with each
> > precidency
> > >in
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >past
> > > > > > > > >and the future. One president may turn it on. The next
> > >president
> > > > >may
> > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > >off. It will never get into a permanent state: ON or OFF.
> > > > > > > > >Is this issue more important than welfare, social security
> > for
> > >your
> > > > > > >parents
> > > > > > > > >and yourselves ? Imagine some day soon, with the deep
> > deficit,
> > > > >welfare
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >social security will be cut for elderly/disable people. I
> > think
> > > > >it's
> > > > > > > > >already
> > > > > > > > >cut back today compared to 4 years ago.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >---anh
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>;
> > > > > > > > ><TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:49 PM
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A war hero doesn't mean a good president/leader. There's
> > a
> > > > >critical
> > > > > > > > >point
> > > > > > > > > > that I don't want to vote for Kerry is that he
> > supports/oks
> > >with
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > abortion. As a parent, you'll see life of a child is not
> >
> > >your
> > > > > > >decision
> > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > it's so precious and appreciative. There's no
> > "pro-choice"
> > >here.
> > > > > > >Either
> > > > > > > > > > you're a killer or not. It's that simple. No matter what
> >
> > >your
> > > > > > >religion
> > > > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > > > pro-kill a human life is UNACCEPTABLE.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>,
> > hoanganhl at hotmail.com,
> > > > > > > > > > >dunghn at cisco.com,TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:11:35 -0400
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >I agree McCain is a hero, in war and after. Yet he lost
> > > > >Republican
> > > > > > > > > > >Nomination of Presidential Election 2000 to Bush. Why?
> > Bush
> > > > >played
> > > > > > > > >dirty
> > > > > > > > > > >tricks to smear McCain then, especially he smeared
> > McCain
> > >on
> > > > >his
> > > > > > >War
> > > > > > > > > > >record.
> > > > > > > > > > >Had McCain won then, should this country have had
> > better 4
> > > > >years.
> > > > > > > > > > >Anyway, you guys really got to think. That's good.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >---pa
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > > > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>;
> > > > > > > > > > ><TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:52 PM
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We just wait and see what's gonna happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > " You let Bush caught you on this. Sorry."
> > > > > > > > > > > > - Have you watched 4 debates (3 from Bush-Kerry, 1
> > from
> > > > > > > > >Cheney-Edwards)?
> > > > > > > > > > >Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > you hear what Kerry commented about terrorism? Words
> >
> > >were
> > > > >out
> > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > >his
> > > > > > > > > > >mouth
> > > > > > > > > > > > not from Bush's.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > " Only Kerry cannot veto and kill a proposition in
> > >Senate"
> > > > > > > > > > > > - You can research and figure out that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Kerry only raises tax for upper class who earn
> > >$200K/year
> > > > >or
> > > > > > >more.
> > > > > > > > >You
> > > > > > > > > > > > >belong to upper class ?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > - Do you believe a flip-flop guy's tongue? I don't
> > think
> > >so.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have some interesting pics about Kerry and Do Muoi
> > in
> > > > >1993.
> > > > >I
> > > > > > > > >think
> > > > > > > > > > >Sen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > John McCain never do that instead he's the one to
> > >support
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > >proposition
> > > > > > > > > > > > and the one of the ones who found the HO program for
> > >former
> > > > > > > > >Vietnamese
> > > > > > > > > > > > officers and their families can refuge in the US.
> > He's
> > >the
> > > > >real
> > > > > > >hero
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > > > >me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > He sat right in the heart of SaiGon and criticized
> > about
> > >the
> > > > > > >human
> > > > > > > > > > >rights
> > > > > > > > > > > > for VN not kiss ass. If you watched that show on the
> > day
> > > > >he's
> > > > > > >back
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >VN
> > > > > > > > > > >you
> > > > > > > > > > > > will see it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thang
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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