[trungduong] Go Vote!

Wed Oct 27 11:47:20 CDT 2004

"Communists in Korea and Germany accepted the division of the country. 
VN-communists didn't. They vowed they never will."
_ How do you know? Or just because of stupid anti-war activists like Kerry, 
Fonda (later on sorry for here acts) prevent the freedom of South Viet Nam.

"If I could make an assumption, we might end up living
in a place like Palestine/Israel with daily violence. 3 generations of
Palestinians have been stuck in Palestine refugee camps since 1948 by
Israeli. They have been fighting since then and nowhere near the end."
_ You can't compare orange with apple. Palestine and Israel are different 
countries. They fought each other for different purposes. Just compare VN 
with Korea, or a little close to East & West Germany.
I want Bush to win the election at this time since I want to see how he 
handles and finishes the job in Irag in his next term. Just give him a 
chance. If he could not get it done then you can blame him. I believe he can 
do it at least for American safety. I hate the word that could happen for 
Iraqui people "Dem con bo? cho'." that was a mistake of US gov for VN. 
Talking about Clinton, he's a state-of-the-art liar. Even a woman like his 
wife also get fooled. Some people even Vietnamese American got fooled by 
him. Not now!! They see how lies he is. They see how luck he got when cycle 
of economy going up in his term and start going down at the end of his term 
(2000). Not from his good leadership. He let Bin Laden built his empire in 
Apghanistan to train thousands of terrorist. What Clinton did was to shoot 
some tomahawks into the camps to let people knowing that he fought 
terrorists. He cut off budgets for intel and other security forces. He / 
Demo left a big mess in security for Bush administration. 9/11 was the 
effect of the cause from him not from Bush. His follower Kerry is not 
different from him. He see terrorism not a threat, just as a nuissance.
Can you do your bussiness with sometimes we have an explosion somewhere in 
the US caused by terrorists?

Thang

>From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
>To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
>Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:13:58 -0400
>
> >
> > The American history has different views about our true history. 
>Sometimes
> > it's wrong.
>
>That's the point. There are several different views about history, war,
>policies, etc. Keep digging the past to try to make assumptions about how
>things would end up if things went this way, or that way is like going
>around a circle.
>
>Compare Korea and Vietnam? What about Germany before the end of Berlin 
>Wall?
>Different countries, different peoples, different fates. Communists in 
>Korea
>and Germany accepted the division of the country. VN-communists didn't. 
>They
>vowed they never will. If I could make an assumption, we might end up 
>living
>in a place like Palestine/Israel with daily violence. 3 generations of
>Palestinians have been stuck in Palestine refugee camps since 1948 by
>Israeli. They have been fighting since then and nowhere near the end.
>
>---pa
>
>
> >For instant, when I took a history class in college, I strongly
> > disagreed with the instructor who viewed president Ngo Dinh Diem as an
> > dictator and corrupted that's why they carried the coup to kill him and
>his
> > family.
> > I don't know where you get those docs, but I know at that time HCM
> > is not a big guy to let some people like Roos and Truman to talk to at
>that
> > time. Beside that he's a liar and a dictator. He just wanted to keep his
> > pos. He's affected by Chinese communists. His henchmen assasinated all 
>the
> > patriots at that time, e.g. Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang. (I have proof not
>docs)
> > About Korea, I mean if our country is still divided as North & South 
>Korea
> > right now then it's gonna be ways better than right now. There'll be no
> > innocent people died in the sea, sold their labors with the cheapest
>price,
> > no innocent girls to get sold to the foreigners as a slave, etc.
> >
> >
> > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:05:26 -0400
> > >
> > >The war I meant is the current Iraq war, of course, no real cause. And
>not
> > >only warriors go there.
> > >About the Vietnam war, there are endless facts and factors that history
> > >continues to work on.
> > >Had President Harry Truman not lent a hand to French after World War 2
> > >ended
> > >to suppress Vietnamese as French colony, would Vietnam not have 
>followed
> > >Lenin and Communist Party. Some Americans still view this as a
>presidential
> > >mistake then. Documentary says that Ho Chi Minh actually met with
>Franklin
> > >Roosevelt to ask for help to get independence from the French way 
>before
>he
> > >launched the VietMinh. Roosevelt agreed to help but he died soon later.
> > >Truman came in to break the promise. And the long unfortunate struggle
> > >began. Communist commited crimes in Vietnam to there own people. That's
>for
> > >sure. But going back to history, all this unfortunate might have been
> > >prevented in the first place if a powerful president had not made a 
>wrong
> > >choice.
> > >Korean war? I remember it ended with talks between 2 sides, which may 
>or
> > >may
> > >not hold true for countries like Vietnam whose people is famous for 
>long,
> > >hard struggle.
> > >---pa
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > >Cc: <TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > ><dunghn at cisco.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:15 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Claiming to protect every life while sending people to war for no
>real
> > > > cause?"
> > > > Are those people not adults? Those are warriors. Are they forced to 
>be
> > > > enlisted like in VN? No. They opted for that job. They're helping
> > >suppressed
> > > > people there. When the US sent soldiers to help South VN to fight 
>the
> > > > communism. Is that no real cause? If not, why are we ended up here?
> > >We're
> > > > suppressed, no rights, no future. If you not agree then you live in 
>a
> > >wrong
> > > > place. More than 50,000 US soldiers and hundred thousands of  VNese
>died
> > >in
> > > > VN for no real cause? Dictatorship presents in different images.
>Instead
> > >of
> > > > honoring those who fought for freedom guys like Kerry and Jane Fonda
> > > > opposing it. That's why we lost our country. Our father, relatives
>went
> > >to
> > > > the concentrate camps. I was wondering if our country is like South
> > >Korea
> > > > today. :(
> > > >
> > > > "There were a lot of abortions there, too, by the way"
> > > > I agree, but the government overthere explicitely supports abortion?
>At
> > > > least, no.
> > > >
> > > > Thang
> > > >
> > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:19:59 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Hmmm. Back to those days in VN, families that didn't have any
>financial
> > > > >support from relatives in external countries, like mine, did worry
> > >about
> > > > >welfare, things like: how to put meal on the table tomorrow, how to
> > >survive
> > > > >when get sick, etc. There were a lot of abortions there, too, by 
>the
> > >way.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ethical matter?
> > > > >Claiming to protect every life while sending people to war for no
>real
> > > > >cause?
> > > > >
> > > > >---pa
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > >Cc: <TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>;
><hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:34 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Is this issue more important than welfare, social security for
>your
> > > > >parents
> > > > > > and yourselves ? "
> > > > > > Yes, It sure is, PA. By the days we lived in VN, did we care 
>about
>
> > > > >welfare,
> > > > > > social security? Hell, no!! We don't know how to live tomorrow,
>but
> > >life
> > > > > > stills goes on. Babies and lives still survived in that
>environment.
> > >And
> > > > >we
> > > > > > still survived until the day we got here, right? If you don't 
>see
> > >it's
> > >a
> > > > > > serious ethical matter then I don't have anything to say.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > > > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:19:45 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The Abortion will continue to be an issue with each precidency 
>in
> > >the
> > > > >past
> > > > > > >and the future. One president may turn it on. The next 
>president
> > >may
> > > > >turn
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > >off. It will never get into a permanent state: ON or OFF.
> > > > > > >Is this issue more important than welfare, social security for
>your
> > > > >parents
> > > > > > >and yourselves ? Imagine some day soon, with the deep deficit,
> > >welfare
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >social security will be cut for elderly/disable people. I think
> > >it's
> > > > > > >already
> > > > > > >cut back today compared to 4 years ago.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >---anh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > ><dunghn at cisco.com>;
> > > > > > ><TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:49 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A war hero doesn't mean a good president/leader. There's a
> > >critical
> > > > > > >point
> > > > > > > > that I don't want to vote for Kerry is that he supports/oks
>with
> > >the
> > > > > > > > abortion. As a parent, you'll see life of a child is not 
>your
> > > > >decision
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > it's so precious and appreciative. There's no "pro-choice"
>here.
> > > > >Either
> > > > > > > > you're a killer or not. It's that simple. No matter what 
>your
> > > > >religion
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > pro-kill a human life is UNACCEPTABLE.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>, hoanganhl at hotmail.com,
> > > > > > > > >dunghn at cisco.com,TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:11:35 -0400
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I agree McCain is a hero, in war and after. Yet he lost
> > >Republican
> > > > > > > > >Nomination of Presidential Election 2000 to Bush. Why? Bush
> > >played
> > > > > > >dirty
> > > > > > > > >tricks to smear McCain then, especially he smeared McCain 
>on
> > >his
> > > > >War
> > > > > > > > >record.
> > > > > > > > >Had McCain won then, should this country have had better 4
> > >years.
> > > > > > > > >Anyway, you guys really got to think. That's good.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >---pa
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>;
> > > > > > > > ><TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:52 PM
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We just wait and see what's gonna happen.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > " You let Bush caught you on this. Sorry."
> > > > > > > > > > - Have you watched 4 debates (3 from Bush-Kerry, 1 from
> > > > > > >Cheney-Edwards)?
> > > > > > > > >Did
> > > > > > > > > > you hear what Kerry commented about terrorism? Words 
>were
> > >out
> > > > >from
> > > > > > >his
> > > > > > > > >mouth
> > > > > > > > > > not from Bush's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > " Only Kerry cannot veto and kill a proposition in 
>Senate"
> > > > > > > > > > - You can research and figure out that.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Kerry only raises tax for upper class who earn 
>$200K/year
> > >or
> > > > >more.
> > > > > > >You
> > > > > > > > > > >belong to upper class ?"
> > > > > > > > > > - Do you believe a flip-flop guy's tongue? I don't think
>so.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have some interesting pics about Kerry and Do Muoi in
> > >1993.
> > >I
> > > > > > >think
> > > > > > > > >Sen.
> > > > > > > > > > John McCain never do that instead he's the one to 
>support
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >proposition
> > > > > > > > > > and the one of the ones who found the HO program for
>former
> > > > > > >Vietnamese
> > > > > > > > > > officers and their families can refuge in the US. He's 
>the
> > >real
> > > > >hero
> > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >me.
> > > > > > > > > > He sat right in the heart of SaiGon and criticized about
>the
> > > > >human
> > > > > > > > >rights
> > > > > > > > > > for VN not kiss ass. If you watched that show on the day
> > >he's
> > > > >back
> > > > > > >to
> > > > > > >VN
> > > > > > > > >you
> > > > > > > > > > will see it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thang
> > > > > > > > > >
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