[trungduong] Go Vote!

Wed Oct 27 10:13:58 CDT 2004

>
> The American history has different views about our true history. Sometimes
> it's wrong.

That's the point. There are several different views about history, war,
policies, etc. Keep digging the past to try to make assumptions about how
things would end up if things went this way, or that way is like going
around a circle.

Compare Korea and Vietnam? What about Germany before the end of Berlin Wall?
Different countries, different peoples, different fates. Communists in Korea
and Germany accepted the division of the country. VN-communists didn't. They
vowed they never will. If I could make an assumption, we might end up living
in a place like Palestine/Israel with daily violence. 3 generations of
Palestinians have been stuck in Palestine refugee camps since 1948 by
Israeli. They have been fighting since then and nowhere near the end.

---pa

>For instant, when I took a history class in college, I strongly
> disagreed with the instructor who viewed president Ngo Dinh Diem as an
> dictator and corrupted that's why they carried the coup to kill him and
his
> family.
> I don't know where you get those docs, but I know at that time HCM
> is not a big guy to let some people like Roos and Truman to talk to at
that
> time. Beside that he's a liar and a dictator. He just wanted to keep his
> pos. He's affected by Chinese communists. His henchmen assasinated all the
> patriots at that time, e.g. Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang. (I have proof not
docs)
> About Korea, I mean if our country is still divided as North & South Korea
> right now then it's gonna be ways better than right now. There'll be no
> innocent people died in the sea, sold their labors with the cheapest
price,
> no innocent girls to get sold to the foreigners as a slave, etc.
>
>
> >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:05:26 -0400
> >
> >The war I meant is the current Iraq war, of course, no real cause. And
not
> >only warriors go there.
> >About the Vietnam war, there are endless facts and factors that history
> >continues to work on.
> >Had President Harry Truman not lent a hand to French after World War 2
> >ended
> >to suppress Vietnamese as French colony, would Vietnam not have followed
> >Lenin and Communist Party. Some Americans still view this as a
presidential
> >mistake then. Documentary says that Ho Chi Minh actually met with
Franklin
> >Roosevelt to ask for help to get independence from the French way before
he
> >launched the VietMinh. Roosevelt agreed to help but he died soon later.
> >Truman came in to break the promise. And the long unfortunate struggle
> >began. Communist commited crimes in Vietnam to there own people. That's
for
> >sure. But going back to history, all this unfortunate might have been
> >prevented in the first place if a powerful president had not made a wrong
> >choice.
> >Korean war? I remember it ended with talks between 2 sides, which may or
> >may
> >not hold true for countries like Vietnam whose people is famous for long,
> >hard struggle.
> >---pa
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> >Cc: <TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> ><dunghn at cisco.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> >
> >
> > > "Claiming to protect every life while sending people to war for no
real
> > > cause?"
> > > Are those people not adults? Those are warriors. Are they forced to be
> > > enlisted like in VN? No. They opted for that job. They're helping
> >suppressed
> > > people there. When the US sent soldiers to help South VN to fight the
> > > communism. Is that no real cause? If not, why are we ended up here?
> >We're
> > > suppressed, no rights, no future. If you not agree then you live in a
> >wrong
> > > place. More than 50,000 US soldiers and hundred thousands of  VNese
died
> >in
> > > VN for no real cause? Dictatorship presents in different images.
Instead
> >of
> > > honoring those who fought for freedom guys like Kerry and Jane Fonda
> > > opposing it. That's why we lost our country. Our father, relatives
went
> >to
> > > the concentrate camps. I was wondering if our country is like South
> >Korea
> > > today. :(
> > >
> > > "There were a lot of abortions there, too, by the way"
> > > I agree, but the government overthere explicitely supports abortion?
At
> > > least, no.
> > >
> > > Thang
> > >
> > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:19:59 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Hmmm. Back to those days in VN, families that didn't have any
financial
> > > >support from relatives in external countries, like mine, did worry
> >about
> > > >welfare, things like: how to put meal on the table tomorrow, how to
> >survive
> > > >when get sick, etc. There were a lot of abortions there, too, by the
> >way.
> > > >
> > > >Ethical matter?
> > > >Claiming to protect every life while sending people to war for no
real
> > > >cause?
> > > >
> > > >---pa
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>
> > > >Cc: <TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>;
<hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:34 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > "Is this issue more important than welfare, social security for
your
> > > >parents
> > > > > and yourselves ? "
> > > > > Yes, It sure is, PA. By the days we lived in VN, did we care about

> > > >welfare,
> > > > > social security? Hell, no!! We don't know how to live tomorrow,
but
> >life
> > > > > stills goes on. Babies and lives still survived in that
environment.
> >And
> > > >we
> > > > > still survived until the day we got here, right? If you don't see
> >it's
> >a
> > > > > serious ethical matter then I don't have anything to say.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thang
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > >CC: TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com,
> > > > > >hoanganhl at hotmail.com,dunghn at cisco.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:19:45 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The Abortion will continue to be an issue with each precidency in
> >the
> > > >past
> > > > > >and the future. One president may turn it on. The next president
> >may
> > > >turn
> > > > > >it
> > > > > >off. It will never get into a permanent state: ON or OFF.
> > > > > >Is this issue more important than welfare, social security for
your
> > > >parents
> > > > > >and yourselves ? Imagine some day soon, with the deep deficit,
> >welfare
> > > >and
> > > > > >social security will be cut for elderly/disable people. I think
> >it's
> > > > > >already
> > > > > >cut back today compared to 4 years ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >---anh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> ><dunghn at cisco.com>;
> > > > > ><TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:49 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A war hero doesn't mean a good president/leader. There's a
> >critical
> > > > > >point
> > > > > > > that I don't want to vote for Kerry is that he supports/oks
with
> >the
> > > > > > > abortion. As a parent, you'll see life of a child is not your
> > > >decision
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > it's so precious and appreciative. There's no "pro-choice"
here.
> > > >Either
> > > > > > > you're a killer or not. It's that simple. No matter what your
> > > >religion
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > pro-kill a human life is UNACCEPTABLE.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Anh Le Arsenault <anhple at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>
> > > > > > > >To: Just chat <All at trungduong.org>, hoanganhl at hotmail.com,
> > > > > > > >dunghn at cisco.com,TraDuong at aol.com, nhaantr at hotmail.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:11:35 -0400
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I agree McCain is a hero, in war and after. Yet he lost
> >Republican
> > > > > > > >Nomination of Presidential Election 2000 to Bush. Why? Bush
> >played
> > > > > >dirty
> > > > > > > >tricks to smear McCain then, especially he smeared McCain on
> >his
> > > >War
> > > > > > > >record.
> > > > > > > >Had McCain won then, should this country have had better 4
> >years.
> > > > > > > >Anyway, you guys really got to think. That's good.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >---pa
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "Victor Thang Do" <tddo at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >To: <All at trungduong.org>; <hoanganhl at hotmail.com>;
> > > ><dunghn at cisco.com>;
> > > > > > > ><TraDuong at aol.com>; <nhaantr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:52 PM
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [trungduong] Go Vote!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We just wait and see what's gonna happen.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > " You let Bush caught you on this. Sorry."
> > > > > > > > > - Have you watched 4 debates (3 from Bush-Kerry, 1 from
> > > > > >Cheney-Edwards)?
> > > > > > > >Did
> > > > > > > > > you hear what Kerry commented about terrorism? Words were
> >out
> > > >from
> > > > > >his
> > > > > > > >mouth
> > > > > > > > > not from Bush's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > " Only Kerry cannot veto and kill a proposition in Senate"
> > > > > > > > > - You can research and figure out that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Kerry only raises tax for upper class who earn $200K/year
> >or
> > > >more.
> > > > > >You
> > > > > > > > > >belong to upper class ?"
> > > > > > > > > - Do you believe a flip-flop guy's tongue? I don't think
so.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have some interesting pics about Kerry and Do Muoi in
> >1993.
> >I
> > > > > >think
> > > > > > > >Sen.
> > > > > > > > > John McCain never do that instead he's the one to support
> >the
> > > > > > > >proposition
> > > > > > > > > and the one of the ones who found the HO program for
former
> > > > > >Vietnamese
> > > > > > > > > officers and their families can refuge in the US. He's the
> >real
> > > >hero
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >me.
> > > > > > > > > He sat right in the heart of SaiGon and criticized about
the
> > > >human
> > > > > > > >rights
> > > > > > > > > for VN not kiss ass. If you watched that show on the day
> >he's
> > > >back
> > > > > >to
> > > > > >VN
> > > > > > > >you
> > > > > > > > > will see it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thang
> > > > > > > > >
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